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	<title>Comments on: On Metadata</title>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://netsplit.com/2007/11/30/on-metadata/#comment-1523</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 20:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote about this as a initial spec/idea for Ubuntu 8.04 at the Ubuntu Forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=598413. Thanks to 23meg, I found your post.

I wrote about the need to integrate Tracker into Nautilus as the most important feature. Why? Because if I&#039;m working on a file and save it, I need to be able to tag it - maybe from OpenOffice - but at the very least from Nautilus. Then I&#039;ll have the ability to see all of my &#039;work&#039; files or my &#039;school&#039; files with a couple clicks of a button.

One other thing I&#039;m annoyed with is constantly having to enter in a date format into my files such as &#039;./my_documents/journal/20071031-nature_and_its_warmth.odt&#039;. Why do I enter in my information that way? Because I would like to sort my data by date THEN title. You simple can&#039;t order by multiple columns in Nautilus, nor have meta data such as date, author, etc.

&quot;But wait a minute, you can add author data to a document in OpenOffice and I know for a fact there is a &#039;date created&#039; field.&quot; Why yes there is I would reply, but Nautilus can&#039;t search the OpenOffice meta data tags and &#039;date created&#039; is very shaky when you&#039;re constantly backing up, moving, transferring and wiping files.

This way is Tracker read OpenOffice meta data (or photo meta data or music meta data) and it was integrated into Nautilus, I would be able to find any file I own with whichever specification I choose without all of this manual work on organizing my files.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote about this as a initial spec/idea for Ubuntu 8.04 at the Ubuntu Forums: <a href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=598413" rel="nofollow">http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=598413</a>. Thanks to 23meg, I found your post.</p>
<p>I wrote about the need to integrate Tracker into Nautilus as the most important feature. Why? Because if I&#8217;m working on a file and save it, I need to be able to tag it &#8211; maybe from OpenOffice &#8211; but at the very least from Nautilus. Then I&#8217;ll have the ability to see all of my &#8216;work&#8217; files or my &#8216;school&#8217; files with a couple clicks of a button.</p>
<p>One other thing I&#8217;m annoyed with is constantly having to enter in a date format into my files such as &#8216;./my_documents/journal/20071031-nature_and_its_warmth.odt&#8217;. Why do I enter in my information that way? Because I would like to sort my data by date THEN title. You simple can&#8217;t order by multiple columns in Nautilus, nor have meta data such as date, author, etc.</p>
<p>&#8220;But wait a minute, you can add author data to a document in OpenOffice and I know for a fact there is a &#8216;date created&#8217; field.&#8221; Why yes there is I would reply, but Nautilus can&#8217;t search the OpenOffice meta data tags and &#8216;date created&#8217; is very shaky when you&#8217;re constantly backing up, moving, transferring and wiping files.</p>
<p>This way is Tracker read OpenOffice meta data (or photo meta data or music meta data) and it was integrated into Nautilus, I would be able to find any file I own with whichever specification I choose without all of this manual work on organizing my files.</p>
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		<title>By: thorwil</title>
		<link>http://netsplit.com/2007/11/30/on-metadata/#comment-1522</link>
		<dc:creator>thorwil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those concerned about unwanted files showing up / being played: there could be an &quot;ignore&quot; category, or even an option to only list material that is in an &quot;include&quot; category.

But a default of making stuff just available will be nice for many users by removing the concept of importing. One thing less to understand and worry about.

I think things will become tricky if it&#039;s about sharing files with meta-data. Where would it go for a file you put online? If it&#039;s a file-format that can&#039;t transport such info? Maybe a  wrapper file-format (/container)?

Also, your friend might have tracks tagged &quot;Rock&#039;n&#039;Roll&quot;, but you prefer to have just &quot;Rock&quot;. OK, that sounds rather made up :)  What I want to say: suddenly it could become interesting Who tagged something and to have conversions. Mapping one taxonomy to another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those concerned about unwanted files showing up / being played: there could be an &#8220;ignore&#8221; category, or even an option to only list material that is in an &#8220;include&#8221; category.</p>
<p>But a default of making stuff just available will be nice for many users by removing the concept of importing. One thing less to understand and worry about.</p>
<p>I think things will become tricky if it&#8217;s about sharing files with meta-data. Where would it go for a file you put online? If it&#8217;s a file-format that can&#8217;t transport such info? Maybe a  wrapper file-format (/container)?</p>
<p>Also, your friend might have tracks tagged &#8220;Rock&#8217;n'Roll&#8221;, but you prefer to have just &#8220;Rock&#8221;. OK, that sounds rather made up <img src='http://netsplit.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   What I want to say: suddenly it could become interesting Who tagged something and to have conversions. Mapping one taxonomy to another.</p>
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		<title>By: mif</title>
		<link>http://netsplit.com/2007/11/30/on-metadata/#comment-1521</link>
		<dc:creator>mif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 00:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh, make apps depend on Tracker, which runs cpu 100% for minutes at a time (and makes my laptop fan go nuts), crashes repeteadly on bittorrent downloads, etc. etc. Indexing needs to be REALLY robust and efficient, it&#039;s just not good enough (yet).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh, make apps depend on Tracker, which runs cpu 100% for minutes at a time (and makes my laptop fan go nuts), crashes repeteadly on bittorrent downloads, etc. etc. Indexing needs to be REALLY robust and efficient, it&#8217;s just not good enough (yet).</p>
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		<title>By: noshi</title>
		<link>http://netsplit.com/2007/11/30/on-metadata/#comment-1520</link>
		<dc:creator>noshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want xmp metadata writing support!</description>
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		<title>By: Scott James Remnant</title>
		<link>http://netsplit.com/2007/11/30/on-metadata/#comment-1519</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott James Remnant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*cough* editorial change, it now says 7.10</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*cough* editorial change, it now says 7.10</p>
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		<title>By: Diego Calleja</title>
		<link>http://netsplit.com/2007/11/30/on-metadata/#comment-1518</link>
		<dc:creator>Diego Calleja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great idea indeed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea indeed</p>
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		<title>By: Stoffe</title>
		<link>http://netsplit.com/2007/11/30/on-metadata/#comment-1517</link>
		<dc:creator>Stoffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, please! :) More or less exactly what I want. :)

Although, you probably want to ask first before indexing any removable media just to be polite. And maybe there could be an option to, well optionally, store a copy on the index for the removable media on that very media. Not so nice for small sticks, but it would be nice for my removable HD if I plug it into my other Ubuntu system if it was already indexed... =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, please! <img src='http://netsplit.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  More or less exactly what I want. <img src='http://netsplit.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Although, you probably want to ask first before indexing any removable media just to be polite. And maybe there could be an option to, well optionally, store a copy on the index for the removable media on that very media. Not so nice for small sticks, but it would be nice for my removable HD if I plug it into my other Ubuntu system if it was already indexed&#8230; =)</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Williamson</title>
		<link>http://netsplit.com/2007/11/30/on-metadata/#comment-1516</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Williamson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t keep my music in my /home directory, and I don&#039;t index it via Tracker (or Beagle or whatever) as it&#039;s on an NFS share and it would be terribly slow.

Always consider the corner cases. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t keep my music in my /home directory, and I don&#8217;t index it via Tracker (or Beagle or whatever) as it&#8217;s on an NFS share and it would be terribly slow.</p>
<p>Always consider the corner cases. <img src='http://netsplit.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Philip</title>
		<link>http://netsplit.com/2007/11/30/on-metadata/#comment-1515</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was released next year, silly. :-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was released next year, silly. <img src='http://netsplit.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: claes</title>
		<link>http://netsplit.com/2007/11/30/on-metadata/#comment-1514</link>
		<dc:creator>claes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can tracker retrieve the &quot;latest saved files&quot;? If so, with what delay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can tracker retrieve the &#8220;latest saved files&#8221;? If so, with what delay?</p>
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